Bug 148465

Summary:	xfce without xfwm
Product:	[openSUSE] SUSE Linux 10.1	Reporter:	Harald Koenig <koenig>
Component:	Installation	Assignee:	Pavel Nemec <pnemec>
Status:	RESOLVED FIXED	QA Contact:	Klaus Kämpf <kkaempf>
Severity:	Normal
Priority:	P5 - None
Version:	Beta 3
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Hardware:	Other
OS:	Other
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Description Harald Koenig 2006-02-06 18:37:55 UTC

it's a pitty that there is no package selection which includes xfce4 (what about
expert users pkg group or similar ?), so I did a search for packages "xfce"
like before (9.3/10.0) and selected all listed RPMs (except debuginfo, see (6) below).

up to 10.0 this automatically installed xfwm4 rpm too, but in 10.1-beta2
I ended up with xfce4 desktop with no window manager runing at all :-(

IMHO there should a dependency on some xfce* rpm to xfwm4 (which one tries
to start xfwm4, is that startxfc4) ???

Comment 1 Pavel Nemec 2006-02-07 13:57:12 UTC

I do not understand what you really want? 
You can use xfce apps (xffm, xfce4-panel) even without xfwm4. So i think it is right that thouse packages do not directly depends on xfwm4.

I think it is not possible to create such selection, because some experts prefer WM, iceWM or even fvwm :-)

Comment 2 Harald Koenig 2006-02-07 14:52:20 UTC

(In reply to comment #1)
> I do not understand what you really want? 
> You can use xfce apps (xffm, xfce4-panel) even without xfwm4. So i think it is
> right that thouse packages do not directly depends on xfwm4.
> 
> I think it is not possible to create such selection, because some experts
> prefer WM, iceWM or even fvwm :-)

ok, more technical:

/usr/bin/startxfce4 and /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc are part of xfce4-desktop.rpm .

usually xfce4 gets started by startxfce4 which uses that xinitrc and xfce4/xinitrc tries to start xfwm4, so xfce4-desktop.rpm depends on  xfwm4.rpm,
right ?

it;s true, that one _might_ use other WMs with xfce4 desktop, but that's neither the default useage nor very common...  this should not be the main argument for breaking the default behaviour of /usr/bin/startxfce4.

Comment 3 Pavel Nemec 2006-02-08 09:46:57 UTC

ok, you convinced me :)
Did you found this behavior also in beta 1?

Comment 4 Harald Koenig 2006-02-08 12:38:11 UTC

(In reply to comment #3)
> ok, you convinced me :)
> Did you found this behavior also in beta 1?

I never tried beta-1, I've started 10.1 only at beta-2.

at least with 10.0 and 9.3 plus betas (mostlikely 9.2 too) it was enough to select xfce* packages, I never had to search for "xfwm" before...

Comment 5 Pavel Nemec 2006-02-08 15:38:30 UTC

fixed