Bug 1220301 - [Enhancement] Installation of another occurence of Tumbleweed, totally independent
Summary: [Enhancement] Installation of another occurence of Tumbleweed, totally indepe...
Status: VERIFIED WORKSFORME
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Product: openSUSE Tumbleweed
Classification: openSUSE
Component: Installation (show other bugs)
Version: Current
Hardware: x86-64 Other
: P5 - None : Enhancement (vote)
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QA Contact: Jiri Srain
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Reported: 2024-02-25 09:16 UTC by Episteme PROMENEUR
Modified: 2024-03-01 01:18 UTC (History)
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Description Episteme PROMENEUR 2024-02-25 09:16:52 UTC
It would be a good thing to get the ability to install another occurrence of Tumbleweed totally independent.

When I say totally independent, I mean :
- on its own disk
- with its own swap
- its own /home
- its own UEFI

Today it is possible to do that, but we need :

- to disconnect the disk of the first occurrence of Tumbleweed
- insert a card with the ISO
- go to the bios to select the card to boot with it
- boot the PC
- install Tumbleweed
- in the two OS, uncheck, in the boot settings, the parameter "Update NVRAM Entry"


Today with NVMe SSD it is more complicate because :
- the nvme ssd is screwed and in my case under the big CPU radiator. I must unmount the radiator to access to the SSD of the first OS. Thus, I can't disconnect it.
- I must ignore what the installer want to do (installation on the disk of the first OS)
- I must indicate to the installer what disk to use
- I must know the good size to use for / and swap
- It is very techie
- You do this with the fear to erase the disk of the first OS

I want an installation as easy as a dual OS installation.

We need a choice to make a dual OS installation on the same disk or on another disk.

The reason why : I need a very high reliability.


Thanks
Comment 1 Stefan Hundhammer 2024-02-25 16:45:47 UTC
This is possible even now, and has been possible since YaST exists (i.e. since late 1999).

Probably the standard storage proposal won't do that for you since it's a very nonstandard setup. It will work for sure with the expert partitioner, and maybe also with the guided storage setup (but I haven't tried that).

It's very simple to create the necessary partitions, including the root partition, a swap partition that is not shared with any other OS on that machine, your separate /home, and whatever else you might want. What's the problem with that?

I don't know what you mean with "its own UEFI"; do you mean the ESP (Efi System Partition)? AFAIK there can be only one on a machine, and that is defined by the EFI standard; this is where the EFI bootloader lets you select what OS to boot. You can't have more than one of them.

As a YaST developer since 10/1999 I have constantly been installing multiple instances of SUSE Linux, Ubuntu, Windows and whatever in parallel on the same machine; on one disk, on multiple disks, in all kinds of permutations. I am doing this on a regular basis, and I have done that with at least a dozen machines over time.

So, what exactly is it that you are missing?

What makes you think you have to physically disconnect any disks to achieve this?

I think you are making this artificially overcomplicated; you might be overthinking the problem. Maybe take a step back and simply try again without confusing yourself.
Comment 2 Stefan Hundhammer 2024-02-25 16:48:00 UTC
And BTW if you need high reliability, the first thing to do is not rely on one single machine. Hardware can break, and humans make mistakes.

If you need a rock-solid setup, better have at least one machine on standby. If you only have one, that machine becomes a single point of failure, and the reason for that failure is more often than not the human operator, i.e. yourself.
Comment 3 Stefan Hundhammer 2024-02-29 15:13:52 UTC
No feedback.
Comment 4 Felix Miata 2024-03-01 01:18:09 UTC
I have 6 PCs with two separate 64bit TW installations, and 4 with two or three separate 32bit TW installations. All 10 have at least 10 separate Gnu/Linux installations (with openSUSE the most common and most used), such as with Slowroll and/or Leap in addition to TW. The openSUSE installer is clearly the best I've ever encountered.