Bug 134564 - SuseWatcher does not see security updates
Summary: SuseWatcher does not see security updates
Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME
Alias: None
Product: SUSE LINUX 10.0
Classification: openSUSE
Component: YOU (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: x86-64 SuSE Linux 10.0
: P5 - None : Normal
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Assignee: E-mail List
QA Contact: Klaus Kämpf
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Reported: 2005-11-19 22:18 UTC by Dzmitry Prakapenka
Modified: 2005-11-28 08:40 UTC (History)
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Description Dzmitry Prakapenka 2005-11-19 22:18:09 UTC
SuseWatcher does not see security updates.

Upon manually clicking Check For Updates button SuseWatcher updates YOU status to "No new updates available". However clicking "Start Online Update" button and going into YAST Online Update reveals that there is at least one security update available at the moment. 

See the screenshot for more info:

http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot24oi.png
Comment 1 Marcus Meissner 2005-11-20 20:05:35 UTC
This update is for a package you have not installed and so does not need
to be updated. So it is not offered by the susewatcher. (opera)

so everything is ok.
Comment 2 Dzmitry Prakapenka 2005-11-20 21:45:30 UTC
At the time of running SuseWatcher I *had* Opera installed, so it looks like the update should have been offered by SuseWatcher and it was not. 
Comment 3 Dzmitry Prakapenka 2005-11-23 01:42:01 UTC
Today I observed the same issue again, now it was a security update for KDE chm viewer:

http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot141wn.png
Comment 4 Klaus Kämpf 2005-11-23 09:55:51 UTC
Looking at the screenshot, none of the patches are relevant for your system.
So SUSEWatcher is right is telling "No new updates available"

If you still think this is a bug, please prepare a screenshot where you have the patch in question actually selected. Both screenshots show an irrelevant patch (not the security patch) selected
Comment 5 Dzmitry Prakapenka 2005-11-24 01:34:44 UTC
As per your request I took 4 screenshots where different security patches for the applications I have installed are in fact selected:

http://img493.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot161uo.png

http://img493.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot178zb.png

http://img493.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot184qc.png

http://img493.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot190lc.png

Comment 6 Klaus Kämpf 2005-11-24 08:25:39 UTC
It seems like YOU doesn't correctly identify your system.

How did you install your system ? Was it a fresh install or an upgrade ? From which medium (CD, DVD, Network) ?
Can you please send a screenshot of YaST2 "installation source" ?
Comment 7 Dzmitry Prakapenka 2005-11-24 08:36:06 UTC
I did a fresh install from a DVD.
Here's the screenshot of YaST2 "installation source":

http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot201ca.png
Comment 8 Marcus Meissner 2005-11-24 08:47:01 UTC
The screenshots look like something else besides YOU already installed the 
security updates. (note the version is the same in the listing).

It might be one of your installation sources that is already including the security updates, but on brief checking this is not the case.

are you using apt too or so?
Comment 9 Dzmitry Prakapenka 2005-11-27 19:58:37 UTC
I do not usually use apt but I might have used it a couple of times recently to download updates.

So, it looks like apt already installed some security updates and after that YOU suggested installing them again? 
In some cases it also looks like YOU suggests installing not the same updates but some old updates, which would lead to downgrading of application(s)...

Shouldn't YOU suggest updates/patches that match the package versions I have installed? I have e.g. Opera 8.5 installed and YOU suggests installing patch for 8.02 version of Opera... 
Comment 10 Klaus Kämpf 2005-11-28 08:40:37 UTC
"In some cases it also looks like YOU suggests installing not the same updates
but some old updates, which would lead to downgrading of application(s)..."

And thats intended behaviour. A patch is basically a description of 'how the system should look like' in order to fix a bug. This is usually a tested package coming from SUSE autobuild.

If you upgrade packages from a non-SUSE source, YOU can't determine if the package includes the fix or not just from looking at the version number.

(If you upgrade from a non-SUSE source, all bets are off. Maybe it was build in a different build environment and behaves differently than the SUSE package ? Maybe some critical security fixes are missing ? Maybe ...)