Bug 152329 - when reporting bug for s/w unpatched in SUSE, suggest reporting upstream
Summary: when reporting bug for s/w unpatched in SUSE, suggest reporting upstream
Status: RESOLVED INVALID
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Product: SUSE Linux 10.1
Classification: openSUSE
Component: Other (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: Other Other
: P5 - None : Enhancement (vote)
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Reported: 2006-02-20 20:23 UTC by Stefan Monov
Modified: 2006-02-21 19:49 UTC (History)
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Description Stefan Monov 2006-02-20 20:23:00 UTC
Let's say that no SUSE Linux-specific patches have been applied to package KDummy. If an user tries to report a bug about package KDummy, he should be
1. notified that the bug most likely isn't specific to SUSE Linux;
2. pointed to the place/way to report the bug - e.g. if KDummy is a KDE package, point the user to http://bugs.kde.org
Comment 1 Vance Baarda 2006-02-21 05:56:42 UTC
Are you asking for a change in the Bugzilla software? Have you seen a Bugzilla system that acts this way?

Or are you asking for a change in how Novell/SUSE developers respond to bugs?
Comment 2 Stefan Monov 2006-02-21 09:02:43 UTC
I'm asking for a hack in this Bugzilla installation. I haven't seen a Bugzilla system that acts this way.

Novell/SUSE developers respond to non-SUSE-specific bugs perfectly fine, but if this gets implemented, it'd lift this burden off their shoulders.
Comment 3 Christian Boltz 2006-02-21 12:02:40 UTC
I'm not sure if a technical solution would be useful because
- slow upstream fixed would miss the SUSE timeframe, but nobody from SUSE would
  even know the bug because it was only reported upstream
- you never can be sure if it is really a upstream bug - see the many programs
  crashing because of fontconfig...
- SUSE packages sometimes are not at the brand-new version (for whatever 
  reason) and upstream maybe only accepts bugreports for the newest version.
  Where should they be reported then?

I would vote for a changed developer response to bugs ;-)  (which I already got sometimes).

On the other hand, it's annoying to have dozens of bugzilla accounts here and there just because you found a single bug in a package...

Just my 2 cents ;-)
Comment 4 Michael Gross 2006-02-21 13:41:49 UTC
Stefan: We will decide how to handle a bug for each case. Sometimes it is known, sometimes it's specific to our distro, sometimes it is something to be fixed in the upstream. However, we are fixing many bugs by ourselves and in many cases these fixes are submitted back to upstream so further releases of the package contain them.

Your original suggestion does not make much sense however, because we are generally interested in fixing problems ourselves, not only because of the rather strict time line, as ressources permits, of course and how severe the problem is.

In any case you should report bugs if you know that they are neither known (most annoying bugs page at opensuse.org or a search in bugzilla) or if you think they could affect many users. We are also open for implementing enhancements (features) to packages which the upstream version would not offer.

Also note that for example people like me are screening incoming bugs. I prefer a bug to be reported twice than never.

Michael
Comment 5 Gregary Hendricks 2006-02-21 16:18:40 UTC
We have already hacked Novell's bugzilla to create links to other bugzillas by using certain names in a comment. For instance if I reported a bug that was already found in KDE's bugzilla I can say kde bug <bug number> and it should create a link to that bug. Here are some examples:

kde bug 300
gnome bug 300
Comment 6 Stefan Monov 2006-02-21 19:46:55 UTC
Michael, I gather I'm supposed to report any bugs I discover within my SUSE Linux system in this Bugzilla. Is this true?
Comment 7 Michael Gross 2006-02-21 19:49:41 UTC
Yes, as long as it is SUSE Linux 10.0+ (products of openSUSE)
If you want to report a bug upstream you have of course the choice.